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I am looking forward to the level of abstraction that Shea presents more than anybody. It will be great to actually make documents that have meaning to them, but if we can't have everyone else doing the same then really what point is there? It's very true that many aspects of CSS design are very difficult to learn (eg. floats) and the learning curve for some can be quite daunting. Throw this piece of code at someone:

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and they are surely going to run away screaming. The advanced web design community is fairly small compared to everyone else who actually does web design, so once we get a grasp of CSS design, it is only natural to continue to extend it. But are we beginning to leave the rest of the world behind in doing so?

Once we start implementing the kind of code that Shea demonstrates we lose one of our strongest arguments for CSS designs, which is lower file sizes. We also get less developers and designers trying to learn simply because it just looks too abstract. I am not saying that we shouldn't continue to push CSS to new boundaries, but be careful of pushing people towards those boundaries. I rather stick with the simple CSS coding that we have now while others continue to learn and then when the time is right and the browsers are ready, let's move to total abstraction of content, structure, and presentation.

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I agree with the danger of CSS becoming so abstract/obtuse/confusing that it could be too daunting for the unitiated. I have a friend who uses WYSIWYG editors like Dreamweaver, and in fact he teaches Dreamweaver courses. He understands conceptually that CSS has some good things going for it, but he contends that the amount of time that it takes to really know CSS is too much for weekend designers (you know, your mom, your company's marketing guy who has a zillion other things on his plate, your swim team parent who wants to put up a little web site). I want to respond "Yes, but CSS is the right way to go." But then I think back on the amount of time that it took me to really, truly get a handle on CSS, and I realize that he may be right.

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